»Retired Staff Role [] Reinstatement App

Discussion in 'Suggestions & Feedback' started by JehnPVP, Apr 14, 2019.

  1. JehnPVP

    JehnPVP Enthusiast Member

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    Hi.
    Before I get into the point, if you don't like the idea then don't try to be savage and reply with such things as " ThIs IdEa Is NoT eVeN hElPfUl!1!1" "blablabla"
    If you haven't been a staff lately then you don't need to read this unless you're interested in this idea.

    So, first off I'd like to suggest a new role which is the Retired Staff role. What is it about?
    It's a role where a retired staff member can be given so people can know that he was a member in the team. It ain't a bad idea if you just think of it a bit.

    Second off, I recommend adding a forum called " Reinstatement " or what ever name where retired staff can use a specific format to apply to gain his old rank (Helper/Mod/Admin) where the Head-Admin of the gamemode , that the person was staff in , replies to it personally or maybe one of the admins.

    I'm not really sure if someone else suggested these two recommendations but yet I think it would be cool if it was added.
     
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  2. uryfgoifh

    uryfgoifh Forum Guru Member

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    might confuse new players if they are looking for staff and thinking ur staff.
    as far as the reinstatement, i agree that might be helpful to get back some previous staff members
     
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  3. Xeph

    Xeph BedWars | Head Administrator Staff Member HeadAdmin

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    I’m not a fan of this concept, it can easily confuse new players with current and previous staff.
    The concept itself seems really flawed in my personal opinion. Just highlighting that they were previous staff and that they are no longer staff - could be used to potentially threaten players. It can come across as a way to gain attention too.

    If an old ex-staff member wants to return, what’s the issue about remaking and going through the application process again?
    What if they don’t even meet the requirements again (such as activity or history) just like a normal applicant.

    Everyone should have a fair chance of applying and becoming staff.

    Just because they’re previous staff doesn’t mean they’re excluded from the process itself. You could even message your old Head-Admin asking if you can return (that’s happened before)
    What if the Head-Admin changes and has no idea who the person is.

    I don’t like the concept, please respond with your thoughts upon it.

    ~ xeph xo
     
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  4. 12334

    12334 Quick Digit Member

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    This idea is not even helpful.
     
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  5. JehnPVP

    JehnPVP Enthusiast Member

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    SMD
    Why would it confuse new players? Why would they even ask retired staff, its just a role to be known as an ex staff
    I never said that its a role that everyone must respect.

    And about the reinstatement, I don't think its a good idea for an retired staff to re-apply because he will fill up some questions that he already filled before.
    The reinstatement application can at least contain:

    Why would you like to rejoin the staff team?:

    Why did you leave the staff team (Ex: Termination, Resigned.. etc)?:

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    I don't think its a good idea to go through the recruitment proccess again. Would be a waste of time.
     
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  6. Xeph

    Xeph BedWars | Head Administrator Staff Member HeadAdmin

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    Younger players can easily confuse ex-staff with current staff without realising. They're not completely aware nor may not even understand - especially if they're non-english speaking players. They'll just read 'staff' and assume that you're staff because they don't speak English. You have a specialised role, so you must be staff!

    The rank itself is just asking for attention - you're no longer staff, why should you receive a special role if all you've done is ban and mute players according to a guideline. Anyone can do that, it doesn't take a mastermind to do it. We'd have to give half of the community that rank.
    Highlighting to people you were old staff is just ridiculous itself. A cry for attention in some perspectives due to staff members getting the most attention in staff due to their specialised prefixes/suffixes.
    The rank can also be easily abused as players could see it having 'power' over them because of the past. This can lead to players feeling defenceless or threatened if the rank itself was implemented.

    Staff have a prefix/suffix ingame mainly to help those who require assistance and to highlight that they're there to help if you require it (who is staff?! who is mod?! etc.)
    If there was a possible way for a person who is staff to be noticed and known without having a specialised prefix/suffix then that'd be the main case.

    If you have done something above and beyond the certain expectancy of your role, then your hard work deserves to be recognised BUT a rank in-game highlight you were staff PREVIOUSLY and not CURRENTLY is not the best reward.


    If you've resigned and you get a 'resigned' role, should players who have been demoted get a 'demoted' role even when both players were staff, yet the circumstances ended differently.

    Lots of current ex-staff (including myself) have been through the old application process, none have complained.
    If you want to apply and help the server, filling a few extra questions truthfully wouldn't be time consuming. It even gives the Head-Admin (who may not even know you if the Head has changed) a better overlook and opinion on you, to see if you'll fit into their requirements.

    As my point stands, everyone should have a chance if that means ex-staff are on the same application process as new applicants. Just because you were previous staff (or old staff on another server) doesn't mean you're going to get the position. Applications focus on activity, behaviour, motivation, friendliness CURRENTLY, not in the past. What you did in the past doesn't mean anything unless you're doing it in the present.

    Like my point above, if you're wanting to re-apply to become staff - this is not how they should respond nor act currently when they receive negative feedback. Just because you're a previous staff member doesn't mean you can be rude and then expect higher privileges because of basic command usages and instructions you've done and followed in the past.


    That's all I have to say about this. I don't think this will ever be implemented onto GuildCraft, it'll be a nice surprise if it ever does.



    ~ xeph xo
     
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  7. Adro

    Adro KitPvP | Head Administrator Staff Member HeadAdmin

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    Nice concept and idea you had made here. As far as I could've noticed you want to make it so Ex-Staff Members stick out on the forums because they had helped out the server before while being staff.

    Well, here's the issue with this. An addition of this "role" will first of all make confusion among the players themselves, which won't be able to tell who's staff more and who isn't. Especially if their knowledge in English isn't the best. So they'll get lost on who they should contact to get help from.

    Regarding the reinstatement application, I highly disagree with this one. Head-Admins can change on the server, where that specific person is an Ex-Staff Member, and they won't know who was staff on it before.

    Nor would they know what was/is the behaviour of the Ex-Staff Member which will lead to a misjudged promotion.

    If the Ex-Staff Member considers to be back as one of the Staffs he won't consider the recruitment process a "waste of time" as you had called it.

    All in all, this isn't the greatest idea as it will give more attention to a certain group of people, which will divide us apart even more.

    Also, on another note, please refrain from being inappropriate on the forums.
     
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  8. Waarschuwing

    Waarschuwing Newbie Member

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    Bad idea.
    This will just cause more inequality in the community. Ex staff should be given and treated the same way as any other member of the community.
    As long as it's just a simple tag, i guess it's alright.
     
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  9. JehnPVP

    JehnPVP Enthusiast Member

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    He was joking about his feedback, he's my friend anyways and i am not waiting to re apply
     
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  10. Sil3ntCha0s

    Sil3ntCha0s Mod Mod

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    I wouldnt say it would confuse players, but there's actually no reason for that.
    A Staff member receives their prefix/suffix just for the sake of players trusting them, it is not a sign of prestige. There is no reason for the ex staff to receive one as well. They served the server, in a good or bad way, and that's about it. Prefixes/Suffixes in the case you're suggesting are purely a way to show off, they don't help anyone.
     
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  11. GoDsDaD

    GoDsDaD Mod Mod

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    It's only nice for old staff tbh, it doesnt have a purpose other than cosmetic which i dont see any point. Like saying retired/resigned police officers can still wear there uniform
     
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